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SSDs Are In Danger
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/consume...34631.html
Quote:If you already own an SSD produced in the last five years, you may want to hold onto it. Next generation products will shoot for the moon on paper but fall well short of leaving the atmosphere. For the last decade we've watched the technology progress, but at the same time, meaningful growth has slowed or stalled due to cost-saving measures in NAND and controller technologies.
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Yet over the last two years, the trend has been to slow performance to reduce costs. The more the technology is neutered, the closer to hard disk performance we see. On the controller side we've seen the number of processor cores and channels from each controller to the NAND flash shrink. On paper the new flash is faster than the old flash, so it's possible to achieve the same performance with fewer channels, but the larger die sizes also give us less parallelization. On the flash side, the move to more cost efficient 3-bit per cell (TLC) has delivered less sustained performance for heavy workloads that take longer to complete. Those are the same workloads early adopters chose flash in the first place.

SLC buffers, user-data in DRAM, and other technologies have hid many of the shortfalls of modern low-cost SSDs from many people, but power users can spot the difference between older and newer products. During this time, you still had an option to purchase higher cost MLC-based SSDs even though the number of products had declined. In the trailing end of 2017, however, those products will virtually disappear and you'll be forced to seek out alternatives.
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MLC is on the chopping block and will be phased out of production for consumer-level products in the second half of 2017.

MLC had a great run. The technology made consumer SSDs affordable and was the springboard that made this storage technology possible for the consumer market. User demand for flash has forced companies to find new ways to increase bit output in the fabs to meet demand. The fabs have increased the production of dies, shrunk lithography, and increased density, but that's still not enough for 2017. TLC allows the fabs to increase bit output even more. The goal is to push the technology into more devices and increase market share over HDDs. The push for market share has decreased the divide in performance between flash and spinning disks.
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When companies talk about upcoming 3D TLC, the word "endurance" always enters the discussion. Vertically stacked TLC does increase endurance over planar 2D TLC, but the gain isn't as high as you might expect. We had two engineers tell us at Computex that Micron 64-layer TLC carries between 1,000 and 1,500 P/E cycles using their testing models. The Micron 256Gbit (Gen 2) TLC is still early but it's not a good sign for users. Neither Toshiba nor Micron want to discuss endurance with us at the die level; all endurance talk comes at the device level, where powerful error correction technology plays a large role. Planar MLC devices didn't use LDPC, an advanced form of error correction technology, but the controllers did run less powerful BCH ECC. At this time, long endurance is a meaningless checkbox, like a used car sale person might list "has tires" as a feature. We were told Toshiba's upcoming BiCS FLASH has higher endurance compared to Micron's second generation 3D, for example, but the marketing language will be very vague on retail products. Don't expect anything greater than planar MLC endurance even with more powerful error correction that consumes more power.

The Intel SSD 600p is a very good indicator of the performance users will see in future . The drive features 3D TLC paired with a low-cost NVMe controller. In our reviews of the series we found the performance to be better than any SATA SSD ever shipped for most users, but the sustained write performance is lower than even mainstream SATA SSDs with MLC flash. Most users will see a performance increase in daily use software like Office, games, and other regular applications that mainly read data from the drive.

If your workload involves write intensive tasks, then next-generation SSDs with TLC NAND and low-cost controllers will be a step backwards even if you use the advanced NVMe protocol. Compounding the issue is the rise in HDD performance. This year we measured several hard disk drives with 200-250MBps sequential write speeds and several more TLC-based SSDs with only 50-100MBps in the same workloads.

You can drive your car with three wheels, but what happens when you only have two? The problem with low-cost SSDs is the controllers. We've already talked about the number of channels to the flash, but the processing power has shrunk as well. Phison still has controllers with 4 cores on the roadmap, but Silicon Motion, Inc. and Marvell moved to dual-core controllers, and we've yet to see high-performance models on the release schedule with more cores. In contrast, Samsung's Polaris controller has five cores, with dedicated roles for each.

Background activity takes a lot of processor clock cycles and two cores is just not enough to keep performance high. Most consumers purchase smaller SSDs and then use much of the available capacity. This causes the flash processor to work harder to manage the data on the drive. You will get higher performance with a larger drive using less space on the flash. The other option is for controller designers to build products with more cores that can run the background activity without a significant effect on foreground performance. Companies need to mask native TLC write performance better or lose customers who are willing to pay more for a superior product.

More cores means more heat, and that's a bigger problem for small M.2 devices with less circuit board area to help cool the controller. We've seen a few NVMe SSDs, even in the M.2 form factor, ship with heat sinks to take up the slack and increase surface cooling area. In our testing we found it doesn't take a lot of aluminum to keep temperatures in check, but it does require some effort to incorporate the additional hardware. A little bit really does go a long way.

The more we test Intel's Optane Memory the more we like it. At this point we would recommend Optane Memory (the cache NVMe SSD) paired with a 7,200RPM hard drive over a 1TB TLC SSD. And we're not the only ones to notice the performance benefits; Seagate has a large campaign on social media promoting Optane Memory.

Just to make it clear, the hard drive companies are promoting Optane Memory in order to sell hard drives paired with the technology to deliver a superior user experience. It's not clear if Intel pitched in ad dollars, but Optane Memory has brought HDDs back into the storage conversation. Many of us moved hard drives to a cold storage role as secondary disks or for NAS appliances, but the empire strikes back.

Another option comes from the second-hand market, where lightly used enterprise SSDs sell for pennies on the dollar. This has always been an option for power users but we expect to see more users to take a look at EBay before buying retail...New enterprise-class SSDs cost significantly more than consumer TLC-based SSDs, but the prices are often less than you may imagine. Newegg, CDW, and Amazon carry these products, and you can often find products two or three generations removed from the current one at attractive price points. You aren't getting the latest enterprise technology, but the products are often superior to consumer SSDs selling today.

Many of the next-generation SSDs we've seen so far were designed to decrease costs. Performance is a secondary objective. The fabs will force 3D TLC on users and push for lower cost controller designs that further reduce performance in mixed and sustained workloads. If the controller designers don't push back with more efficient products we expect a revolt from power users, gamers, and enthusiasts. That revolt will come in the form of Optane paired with spinning disks or used enterprise products purchased for workstation use. 3D TLC leaves a big hole at the upper end of the market where profits are higher than the low margin race to the bottom the inferior products target.
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#2
How has Tom's prediction about SSDs turned out from the OP just 1 year ago?

In the meantime, file this under, "I told you so, I told you so ..." :P

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ssd-pr...antly.html

Quote: In the graph below you can see by how much prices are dropping, check this one out:

[Image: index.php?ct=news&action=file&id=28036]

So above the Crucial MX 500. That is the 500GB model that started selling at roughly 138 euros, right now it is hovering at the 100 euro marker, which is just 20 cents per GB. Next one then:

So above the Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB, this product was 189 Euros six months ago, now roughly 106 Euros, so it has dropped a good 43% in price.

Prices for M.2. NVMe devices seem to be affected as well, above the Samsung SSD 970 EVO 500GB, M.2 In all fairness, Samsung dropped the price right after release. But yeah, it started at over 200 bucks, and now can be spotted in the 160 Euro region. Prices, of course, vary per region and country. But again, if you are in the market for some NAND storage, now might be a good time to look around a bit.
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#3
3D TLC is very good technology. It rivals MLC and it's cheaper to produce with much higher density. They are continuing to improve on it also. It's great to see the prices coming down. However I am done buying any more capacity for the foreseeable future. If they can ever make even faster NVMe drives I might buy one. I hear the newest Intel Optane drives are outstanding and noticeably faster than my Samsung 960 Evo drive, but they are prohibitively expensive. Like anything else I expect the price to come down. Once they become mainstream I will buy one
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(06-12-2018, 08:13 PM)SickBeast Wrote: 3D TLC is very good technology.  It rivals MLC and it's cheaper to produce with much higher density.  They are continuing to improve on it also.  It's great to see the prices coming down.  However I am done buying any more capacity for the foreseeable future.  If they can ever make even faster NVMe drives I might buy one.  I hear the newest Intel Optane drives are outstanding and noticeably faster than my Samsung 960 Evo drive, but they are prohibitively expensive.  Like anything else I expect the price to come down.  Once they become mainstream I will buy one

Once we see 2 TB Optane drives prices drop to just above where NVMe is, they will be a solid buy and I will upgrade also.

Thinking
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#5
The 480 GB Team Group SSD is down to $79.99

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...20-331-049&utm
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#6
(06-13-2018, 12:59 PM)apoppin Wrote: The 480 GB Team Group SSD is down to $79.99

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...20-331-049&utm

How low will they go?
Team Group L5 LITE 2.5" 480GB SATA III 2D NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) T2535T480G0C101
$99.99
$77.99
WITH PROMO CODE
EMCPVRE63
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#7
I think we are starting to see prices on SSDs bottom out

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...6820331049&utm

Quote:Team Group L5 LITE 2.5" 480GB SATA III 2D NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) T2535T480G0C101
$99.99
$75.99
WITH PROMO CODE EMCPVRX46

It might go as low as $69.99 ...
Thinking
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#8
Hard drive prices are cheaper also. I got my 8tb drive for only $144CAD.

I am seeing signs of the price bottoming out here. We'll see what happens.
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#9
(06-28-2018, 04:41 PM)SickBeast Wrote: Hard drive prices are cheaper also.  I got my 8tb drive for only $144CAD.

I am seeing signs of the price bottoming out here.  We'll see what happens.

1 TB notebook drives are below $40 and SSDs are getting cheap:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBund...bo.3844516&utm

Quote:(2X) Team Group L5 LITE 3D 2.5 inch 480GB SATA III 3D NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) T253TD480G3C101
Exclusive promo code is for subscribers only and is only redeemable if you've received this email directly. May only be redeemed once.
$129.99
With Promo Code: EMCXPWRS

That is $65 *each* for 480 Team Group 480 GB SSDs that I paid $99 each for earlier this year
Thinking

I think I got at least one of my predictions right.
Angel
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#10
I'm still wondering when these drives will bottom out price wise. I keep thinking we have hit the bottom and then the prices drop even lower. It's great news for consumers. Also, on this note, WD has announced they are closing one of their HDD factories in Asia and adding a factory to produce more SSDs. HDDs may be dead technology. It looks like the industry is slowly starting to phase them out. I don't think I will buy any more HDDs. I have over 20tb of space here. I got my last 8tb drive for only $144CAD. It's great for my backups.
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